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Mark · 05-25-2016, 02:42 PM

Shoeless,
I believe that the Val4 format was derived from the beaten length formula developed in Kgen and Thoromation where the value of a beaten length matched the number of half furlongs in the pace segment. In other words, in a quarter mile the value of a beaten length was 4 ft, a half mile was 8 ft. The distance of the final fraction determined the value of the beaten length, again 2 furlongs, 4 ft, 2.5 furlongs as in a 6.5f race was 5f, all the way up to 7.5f which was 3.5 furlongs was 7ft.
The logic behind this was as follows: in the shorter segments early in the race the horse was fresh and full of energy to the value of a beaten length was less than later in the race. In the final furlong horses are decelerating and beaten lengths gained or lost are a combination of closer gaining ground and leader losing ground.
The result was that Doc recommended as Bill mention not to use a paceline with a beaten length total of 7.5 lengths as it would skew the readouts.

I spent months figuring this out back in the day. It was all trial and error. Doc gave me a little program for making pars and in conjunction with Thoromation I was able to determine these values. I wa also able to accurately predict the Running Style that Thoromation projected from each paceline using what they called Par Median and final fraction velocity. I don't know that this has ever appeared in print before. It was a huge amount of work but I threw the computer away that had it on it when I moved years ago.(Original Dumb Ass)

05-25-2016, 02:42 PM	#29
Mark Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 318	Val4 format Shoeless, I believe that the Val4 format was derived from the beaten length formula developed in Kgen and Thoromation where the value of a beaten length matched the number of half furlongs in the pace segment. In other words, in a quarter mile the value of a beaten length was 4 ft, a half mile was 8 ft. The distance of the final fraction determined the value of the beaten length, again 2 furlongs, 4 ft, 2.5 furlongs as in a 6.5f race was 5f, all the way up to 7.5f which was 3.5 furlongs was 7ft. The logic behind this was as follows: in the shorter segments early in the race the horse was fresh and full of energy to the value of a beaten length was less than later in the race. In the final furlong horses are decelerating and beaten lengths gained or lost are a combination of closer gaining ground and leader losing ground. The result was that Doc recommended as Bill mention not to use a paceline with a beaten length total of 7.5 lengths as it would skew the readouts. I spent months figuring this out back in the day. It was all trial and error. Doc gave me a little program for making pars and in conjunction with Thoromation I was able to determine these values. I wa also able to accurately predict the Running Style that Thoromation projected from each paceline using what they called Par Median and final fraction velocity. I don't know that this has ever appeared in print before. It was a huge amount of work but I threw the computer away that had it on it when I moved years ago.(Original Dumb Ass)