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RichieP 09-21-2006 03:05 PM

The "suck along horse"
 
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Here are the pp's from a horse at Belmont. Showing only his 1st 2 calls in this screenshot.

Look at his position and beaten lenghts for the 9 races shown.Facing 1/2 mile times varying from 45.1 to 48.1 his POSITIONING in each of the races at the
1st and 2nd calls are remarkably similar.

Position
7-7
6-5
6-6
4-4
6-4
8-5
5-4
4-5
5-5

It just gets comfortable in it's positioning in the race and then sucks along NEVER impacting the pace of ANY of it's races.

here is the screen shot

RichieP 09-21-2006 03:10 PM

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now I am gonna show the complete running line for the same horse including stretch call and finish

a few of the races u see the horse made a deep stretch move and placed or showed. NEVER headed a winner at any call in any race.

There is NO kind of fight whatsoever present in this horse.

A true " suck along".

Screenshot

RichieP 09-21-2006 03:15 PM

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Now here is what happened in the race when it tried to get involved and "mix it up" with the field before deep stretch ok?

see what happened? see the trackman's comment?
"Brave Robin raced up close early and was outfinished"

he tried being a FIGHTER. Something he certainly is not and got destroyed.

screenshot of results from yesterday's race

RichieP 09-21-2006 03:19 PM

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just for the record here are the winner's pp's

the last time it was on the dirt it fought early - got passed at the 1/2 - then gained BOTH position and beaten lenghts fighting back at the stretch call. Something Jim has been telling me is a telltale sign of gameness in a horse.

The " Fighter" :)

screenshot of winner's pp's

Dupree_03 09-21-2006 07:24 PM

thought this was reserved for questions only to Mr. Bradshaw. Have things changed?

gl45 09-21-2006 08:11 PM

Dupree,
Richie post is aiming to understand the Match Up concept, regarding horses positions during the race. What better place to post it if not here.
Pino


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