Synergism without RDSS
 

I thought I would start this thread for people using Synergism the old
fashioned way.


Straight from Doc's mouth

Because of the way Synergism is able to auto adjust the data there is
no reason for any small adjustments to be made.Therefore giving the
user more time to pick thier own pacelines.

Hi Jeff
 

Can you give us an example race?

Thanks
Bill

Shoe raw
 

hello Jeff

here is race 8 from Pen tonight I did the race completely raw and entered my lines and set up times by hand

Here is the first screen
I said yes to shippers because of the different surfaces and distances
of the pacelines I used
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To keep it simple I used basic phase 1 to pick my lines
and get down to 5 contenders

I sorted the race by FW
My set up times are from the 3 horses with 8.0 pacelines
The 3 year best is 136.3

BTW the fulcrum is 113.3 140.1 and is also one of the setup times

here is race 8 raw
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here is the race fully adjusted by RDSS
 

Adjusted lines
same race race 8 Penn 8/24

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Raw
 

In the 8th race at Penn doing the race as well as I can as per the manual
and using raw data, Proved to be the way to go

The raw number using 3 set up times and the 3 year best
has the win place and show 1 7 8 right on top
The adjusted did not do well at all :rolleyes:
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Jeff may be on to something This really was not that hard to do
If Ted could make it so that the shipper and set up times could be entered
by hand first, then the raw pacelines I think Jeff is correct that the program should make the adjustments not RDSS

BTW here is the RDSS BLBL using the same lines
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Bill

Bill,

Way to go by looking at your dream race the 1 owned the 1st and 3rd
fractions so pretty much looked like a lock.


I really havent played anything the last 3 weeks as the cards have looked
really bad.The next time I see an interesting race I will post it.

I dont know if you have done it or not but listen to those Synergism tapes
as Doc gives a great presentation on the dream race.

Bill,

Nice work. Incidentally, if all the pacelines are from the same track you don't have to answer "Yes" for shippers as the program will automatically make the adjustments.

Jeff,

By any chance do you have the link for that video?

David
 

This is from the SYN ll manual

In my race all the lines were from Penn but I had different distance
and 2 off tracks so I read this to mean say yes to shippers in this race?


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any help would be great
Bil

Bill, my interpretation of that would be only answer "Yes" if one of those PEN pacelines was turf. The different distances and off tracks from PEN would be automatically handled by the program.

What I'm not sure about -- how to handle artificial surfaces. For example, if today is a dirt race and the paceline you're using is from a tapeta race does that call for a "Yes" adjustment. I don't know. I've been saying "Yes", but like I said, I'm not sure.

Bill,

David is right off tracks and different distances are handled by the program.


David,

I got that from Doc on the Syn tapes which are in the library.

MNR race 7
 

Here is race 7 from MTN tonight

Once again I used basic Phase 1 to select pacelines and contenders

I used a 3 year best time of 141.3
I used the tandem 8-3 as 1 set up time 114 145.3 this is also the fulcrum
and horse 6 ran at MNR line 3 8.3 furlongs 115 146.1 a win line

I said yes to shippers in this race = Horse 5 from Tdn
I sorted by FW

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First below is raw

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here is adjusted from RDSS
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Bill,

Because of your ability to pick pacelines I would be very surprised if you
didnt do well with this program.

Jeff

This race for tonight at PID the 7th

There are a couple of questionable pacelines here that I chose

5- I went 4 back as I dont like entering 5.5 races in 6 fur.My opinion
here is horse is out for exercise to be dropped back to a 5.5 race.

7- I went 4 back as to me 6 fur is horses best distance

Shoe Pid Adjusted
 

Hi Jeff

Here are your lines for the PID race 7 using the adjusted RDSS lines

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The 6
 

Hi Jeff

Both raw and adjusted did good this time
The 6 wins and pays $7.00
Nice line work looks like the super was 6 9 5 4
Bill

Bill,

6 held on to win by a nose at the wire.

Thanks for the 2nd look

Jeff

Bill,

Actually I made a big contender error here by not putting in 9 horse who
2 races back had run 2nd to the 6.


If you used the 9's last race the program came up with 9-6,it
ran 6-9 83.00

nine
 

Hi Jeff

I was wodering why you didn't use the 9 ?

I used this race as one of my RDSS contest races
I went with the 6- 4

http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=30

here is the nines PP's

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Bill,

Not as young as I used to be

Jeff

Mnr Race results
 

In the MNR race 7
The Raw data using Synergism as per the manual
once again out preforms the Adjusted data from RDSS

Raw has the exacta 5-1
Adjusted has the winner # 5 ranked last

Test results so far

Race 1 Penn 8 8/24 Winner RAW
Race 2 PID Race 7 8/25 Winner Tie
Race 3 MNR Race 7 8/25 Winner Raw

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Hi Guys,

I don't know 1/100th of what Shoe, Pino, Alydar David, Parts, Bill V., Ted and others do about Synergism2. However, I have begun using it with the adjusted ratings (I'm one of the lazy ones Shoe<g>), and have been pretty pleased with the results thus far. I find the FW ratings somewhat mirror the order in RDSS BL/BL, but the DR ratings bring something extra to the mix.

Hope you guys have a good day at the races today! I have been enjoying these threads on this old program. Kudos to Ted for providing an export.

Jim

Mth 1 8/26
 

Sorry I didn't get this one in on time bu the race just went off

Here are my lines I used Phase 1 for my contenders and pace lines

Here is the raw data
My set up time is shown
The 3 year best for Mth at 1 mile is 134.2

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Bill,

Nice going

Race 1 Mth Adjusted
 

The 3 wins at $19.00

This time both raw and adjusted have the winner in the top 2 FW
so this is a tie

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After 4 races
 

Test results race worked so far = 4


Race 1 Penn 8 8/24 Winner RAW
Race 2 PID Race 7 8/25 Winner Tie
Race 3 MNR Race 7 8/25 Winner Raw
Race 4 MTH Race 1 8/26 Winner = Tie

Jim,

Even though you are just starting to use it Im sure you know just
as much as me.

It's good to hear all these postive reports about people doing well
with Syn using the RDSS export.It seems like Ted has come up with
a winner here.

My comment about being lazy was a bit too strong.Actually I punch
in numbers all day on my job so getting a bit tired doing it also I think
Im starting to get carpel tunnel.

Cant really afford using RDSS at this juncture so have to stick with
$1 bris files for now.

Hi Jeff,

Oh I took no offense whatsoever. In fact I agree. I just cannot stand to input data at this juncture in my life. I have been downloading and using the program(s) to just crunch numbers for too many years to go back. I use my time plotting my wagering and carefully observing what seems to be working at the various tracks I watch during the day when I have time.

I am sure I am using RDSS and Synergism incorrectly but as long as my observations work for me, I carry on marching to my own tune. I am sure I would drive Bill V. crazy if he saw my work with the Sartin programs. Although I am sure we would agree to Let it Ride. :D

Little redboard, caught a nice $17 horse just now at Sar in the first. Top LP in a turf race. I always play a little on them in turf routes when at a price. I do things little differently, but I love this board and appreciate all the work that has gone into it.

Jeff, you and Bill keep showing examples. It really helps me learn.

Jim

Jim
 

The topic of this thread as I understand it was that Syn 2 was best used as
in the manual

There are a few parts of syn 2 that need some hand input
First is the question about shippers.
Next is the track record or 3 year best time.
Last is the set up times .

This test is to see if doing these vital steps makes a difference
over just sending adjusted data from RDSS

I am doing this because If the test holds up I believe as Shoe pointed out
Doing all the seps will out preform just sending the adjusted numbers
from RDSS. If this holds up and is the case , Then Ted will have a valid reason to invest his time into working a way that the set up time, shipper and 3 year best- track record can also be
auto entered.

A problem with testing the readouts from 2 different methods is there are quite a few readouts to compare on SYN 2
For the test I will just go with the top 2 FW and the top 2 DR

so far Jeff's suggested method is 4 for 4

GS
Bill

Nice going Jim Let It Ride :)

Now you're talking, an objective test. I realize this is a lot of work. Thanks for doing it, Bill.

Bill, that seems like a reasonable way to test the difference.

Just for your information, and not necessarily for testing purposes, most winners are found in the top two of FW, TT and DR. Sometimes the actual TT fraction can differ from the TT ranking. And sometimes there may be as little as a 0.01 difference between the second and third ranked TT horses. Something to keep an eye on when you're betting real money.

When I find only one horse fits that bill I bet him to win and three times to place. For example, $2 Win and $6 Place.

Of course a model with improve your results, but that goes without saying. And for turf you need to take a good look at SP.

I suggest you limit your testing to dirt races only with dirt pacelines, if at all possible. That will give you the most objective results.

Keep up the good work, matey (as Richie would say :>)

Jim, if you haven't seen it in a while, the movie is now available on Netflix.

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Amen, brother :>)

DMR test race
 

Thanks David

Here is test race # 5 Race # 4 from Del Mar 8/26 This one is tricky because using Phase 1 I have turf, dirt and a sprint line and 6 lines to rate
I have shippers in the race

The 3 year best for 1 mile at Del Mar is 135.1

The setup times are shown

Using raw hand entered data afilling all asked questions the top 2 FW
and DR would be the :1: and :2:

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DMR Tst race 5
 

Looks like both the raw and RDSS adjusted agree :1: :2:
although The adjusted ranks the sprinter # :9: best on DR

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Bill, as they say in Massachusetts, "Not too shabby."

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Raw
 

Wow Raw is doing very well

Bill

consistant
 

I had to use 6 horses because I have to pick my pace lines 100%
consistantly if this test is going to be fair.
I feel that Phase 1 gets me the best chance to have the winner
at least in the top 5

I just want to see were the winner ranks better It does me or anybody
else very little good to do races ahead of time and not have the winner included

In the Del Mar Race 4 I had to use 6 horses
because basic Phase 1 guidelines are to use the top 5 TPR horses
and the top 2 EP and LP horses

Here is the TPR screen I can only eliminate the #5 because its not top 5
TPR and Top 2 EPR or LPR

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I suppose the 3 is a none contender too being a turf horse
but I want to keep it consistant
Sorry I had to use 6 horses in this race In my day to day handicapping
this happens every now and then

Bill

No problem. Happens to me too. And with Energy! it's usually the reverse. Many times there are only three contenders. Just go with the flow and keep doing what you're doing.

And you might want to consider throwing a dollar or two on your picks. :>)