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partsnut 11-03-2011 06:16 AM

Woodbine 11-03-11 R(4) Using Synergism4
 
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Woodbine 11-03-11 R(4) Using Synergism4

This is a very tough race at 8.5 furlongs.
This race seems to fit a sustained horse and the pace projects (Fast)
The (2) should be the pacesetter and possibly go all the way if he can
hold and sustain the momentum he has built up in the early going.
I personally like the (2).
My projected order of finish would be:
(In this order)2-4-5-8

Here are my Synergism 4 read outs.
See if you agree.

partsnut 11-03-2011 09:59 AM

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These 3 horses are within 5 points of the top TPR Horse.

The Pace of the race should be fast 4

mikesal57 11-03-2011 10:47 AM

Bill..

Is there a reason why you left the #1 out..Being an early horse too ..might turn things around??


mike

partsnut 11-03-2011 12:21 PM

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Hi Mike,

I get my contenders from PaceAppraiser.
I'll add the file here.
Please see the attached file.

The (1) did not appeal to me because it
has been short on the speed number

partsnut 11-03-2011 02:36 PM

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Partsnut:
Quote:

My projected order of finish would be:
(In this order)2-4-5-8
The winner was in my top 2

partsnut 11-03-2011 03:08 PM

Interesting Factor
 
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After the race was over I went into my Synergism 4 set-up file and changed the variant type to "DRF" from "PROJECTED"
Look what happened.

shoeless 11-03-2011 06:34 PM

Bill,

What would be the difference between the two?

Jeff

shoeless 11-03-2011 06:57 PM

I have to commend Houndog as he was the one that updated these numbers in the program.I sent the program to Purdy and he thought he did an excellent job as well.

Bill V. 11-03-2011 09:09 PM

Bill
 
Hi Bill
Sorry I have not been able to jump in with some KGEN looks I've been
doublng up loads all week so I can take a nice vacation for the big weekend


Not a breeders cup fan but it will be fun to watch

Bill,l You always seem to be right there with your race picks
Do you now or ever wager pick 3's daily double Pick 4's

It seems you would do very well with a 3x3x3 bet in a pick 3
Docs quidelines 3x3x3 =$27 for $1 plus another win bet on any horse over 9/2

Bill

Bill V. 11-03-2011 10:23 PM

Kgen
 
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Here are my kgen looks

I norrow done to the top 4 kexdc horse

lines
H2 -2
H4 - 1
H7 - 1
H9 - 3

Attachment 24583

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THANKS
Bill

alydar_ David 11-03-2011 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoeless (Post 75081)
I have to commend Houndog as he was the one that updated these numbers in the program.I sent the program to Purdy and he thought he did an excellent job as well.

Yes indeed, a big Tip-0'-The-Hat to houndog.

Here's one in his honor (I'm sure he listens to this kind of music ;>)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He82NBjJqf8

partsnut 11-04-2011 04:59 AM

Bill V.

Quote:

Hi Bill
Sorry I have not been able to jump in with some KGEN looks I've been
doublng up loads all week so I can take a nice vacation for the big weekend


Not a breeders cup fan but it will be fun to watch

Bill,l You always seem to be right there with your race picks
Do you now or ever wager pick 3's daily double Pick 4's

It seems you would do very well with a 3x3x3 bet in a pick 3
Docs quidelines 3x3x3 =$27 for $1 plus another win bet on any horse over 9/2

Bill
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Hi Bill,

I feel the same way. The Breeders Cup is fun to watch.

I always appreciate your input and very sound advice.
Making a living today is primary so your work should always come first.

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partsnut 11-04-2011 05:09 AM

Shoeless:

Quote:

Bill,

What would be the difference between the two?

Jeff
Jeff,

The DRF Variant is the form Variant.
The projected Variant is formulated by the software.
The Beyer Varianf is Andy Beyers number.

My preference would be either the Beyer Number or
The DRF numbers.

Bill H.
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shoeless 11-04-2011 05:34 AM

Thanks

mikesal57 11-04-2011 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by partsnut (Post 75061)
Hi Mike,

I get my contenders from PaceAppraiser.
I'll add the file here.
Please see the attached file.

The (1) did not appeal to me because it
has been short on the speed number

Bill....

if you see the charts, you would have seen the #1 getting out to the lead..
What did he do to the #2?...forced him to not get the lead.
This is why you ALWAYS leave the early horse(s) left in...he can change the out come of any race..
From what you shown..the 2 would have an easy lead..but he didnt !!
The 4 would have been a more certain choice for the win

mike

alydar_ David 11-04-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesal57 (Post 75103)
Bill....

if you see the charts, you would have seen the #1 getting out to the lead..
What did he do to the #2?...forced him to not get the lead.
This is why you ALWAYS leave the early horse(s) left in...he can change the out come of any race..
From what you shown..the 2 would have an easy lead..but he didnt !!
The 4 would have been a more certain choice for the win

mike

Good point, Mike.

partsnut 11-04-2011 08:25 AM

mikesal57:
Quote:

Bill....
if you see the charts, you would have seen the #1 getting out to the lead..
What did he do to the #2?...forced him to not get the lead.
This is why you ALWAYS leave the early horse(s) left in...he can change the out come of any race..
From what you shown..the 2 would have an easy lead..but he didnt !!
The 4 would have been a more certain choice for the win

mike
Mike, what you say is very true but I felt the (2) would fade because he was not speed competitive.
After making a Variant adjustment, after the fact the (4) came up very strong. Even so, the (4) was in my top 2.

I am optomistically very hopeful that Ted is working on a feature that will allow RDSS to convert files to Syn2, Syn3, and Syn4.
When and if this transpires, RDSS will be unsurpassed and will be the best software out there.:)

shoeless 11-04-2011 05:13 PM

I e mailed Bob Purdy(really nice guy) about this very subject and he like Tom Brohammer say only put in true contenders.If you put in the early quitters who dont have a chance it will only screw up the readouts.

For The Lead 11-04-2011 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesal57 (Post 75103)
Bill....

if you see the charts, you would have seen the #1 getting out to the lead..
What did he do to the #2?...forced him to not get the lead.
This is why you ALWAYS leave the early horse(s) left in...he can change the out come of any race..
From what you shown..the 2 would have an easy lead..but he didnt !!
The 4 would have been a more certain choice for the win

mike

YOU ARE RIGHT!
Even in the “match up”, you start with which horse is going to make the lead at the first call…regardless of whether or not you think it will win. It is that horse’s pace that is the first piece of the POR from which other horses will be evaluated. Maybe that horse will get the lead on a softer pace because it isn't being pushed by another horse(s) today. That's the reason it should get evaluated. If you don’t evaluate the “early quitters” (:)), how do you know if they will quit...…OR NOT??

When the gates open one horse gets the lead. If no other horse passes it…it WINS!!

shoeless 11-04-2011 11:05 PM

Garbage in-garbage out. I will stick with Purdy and Brohammer on putting contenders in a software program.

For The Lead 11-05-2011 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shoeless (Post 75165)
Garbage in-garbage out. I will stick with Purdy and Brohammer on putting contenders in a software program.

Early horses that back up because they are not in their best form or get too much pressure from other horses are labeled "quitters".
Here's the question, if an early horse doesn't go wire to wire every time it runs, then it is "a quitter" when it doesn't win?

So what do you call a closer that doesn't close? After all, they don't close every time they run, and when they don't close, they just flounder around at the back of the pack. But people have no problem with closers that don't close. And they don't have any problem with closers that close and still don't win.

Where is the difference?
The ONLY difference is "style".

If one horse has a certain style and performs one way, and
another horse has a different style and performs in different way,
why aren't both horses equal, based on their individual styles?

In case you missed another post I made recently, http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7872 there is a link that will take your to it. You might find it interesting.

shoeless 11-05-2011 10:09 AM

FTL,

You are a far superior handicapper then I so who am I to argue.Sometimes
I think why keep beating my head against the wall if I cant beat them after
trying to for 44 years what's the point.

shoeless 11-09-2011 07:47 PM

I made an error as I was rereading some old e mails from Bob Purdy.

He told me look for the horse that will be on the lead at the 2nd call
regardless if he is a final contender or not.

FTL seems Bob agrees with you my mistake


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