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gl45 11-03-2009 11:35 AM

Taulbot Angles
 
Pizzi,
Add this to your template....who knows.......
Only MNR and only the following classes:

C5000
C5000NW26M
C5000NW16M
C5000NW3Y
C5000NW2Y
C5000NW1Y
C5000NW4L
C5000NW3L
C5000NW2L

The spreadsheet reppresent the results of win and place since 10/3/2008 at 5.5f, 6f, 8f for the angle "A"

raceman5 11-03-2009 01:00 PM

What is the angle A?

Bob

gl45 11-03-2009 02:21 PM

Horse must have 2RB.IMF within the past 45 days or so, and has LR.OMF, which an easy conditioning race.

raceman5 11-03-2009 02:35 PM

whats imf and omf?

raceman5 11-03-2009 02:35 PM

whats imf and omf?

gl45 11-03-2009 03:03 PM

in the money finish....out the money finish

RichieP 11-03-2009 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gl45 (Post 61129)
Pizzi,
Add this to your template....who knows.......
Only MNR and only the following classes:

C5000
C5000NW26M
C5000NW16M
C5000NW3Y
C5000NW2Y
C5000NW1Y
C5000NW4L
C5000NW3L
C5000NW2L

The spreadsheet reppresent the results of win and place since 10/3/2008 at 5.5f, 6f, 8f for the angle "A"

Pino
Thank you VERY much for this! A lot of hard work you just shared paisan.
You like 5cl ha? :D

Grazie :)

gl45 11-03-2009 06:36 PM

Pizzi,
btw, I forgot to tell you that last night at MNR the winner of race #1 was an "A" with "FDK", Form Darkening plus other goodies....

mildeu 11-04-2009 02:05 AM

WHAT IS ANGLE "A" AND WHAT IS "FDK" ALSO WHAT IS "BTW"
THANKS:confused:

mildeu 11-04-2009 02:05 AM

WHAT IS ANGLE "A" AND WHAT IS "FDK" ALSO WHAT IS "BTW"
THANKS:confused:

RichieP 11-04-2009 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mildeu (Post 61156)
WHAT IS ANGLE "A" AND WHAT IS "FDK" ALSO WHAT IS "BTW"
THANKS:confused:

Morning Mildeu

"A" angle - In the money 2 races back and that race is run no more than around 45 days ago. Last race out of money finish giving a conditioning race that sets up todays effort.

"FDK" - FDK (Form Darkening) is a LR type combination angle.

Performance Side:
A more or less "evenly run" race whereby 1C BL <= 2C BL, 2C.BL >= 5, and loss of ground in the stretch < 6.25, but nominal gains in the stretch are permissible.

Trainer Maneuver Side:
Best when TR DIST > LR DIST.

"BTW" - by the way

BIG thanks to Pino and Ray Taulbot for the angle info.

:)

mikesal57 11-04-2009 11:49 AM

Hi guys..

very nice info Pino!!

with a few simple rules you got a 35+% roi!!

worst part is that this was discussed here a few times and I knew about it and didn't follow-up :mad:

mike

mildeu 11-04-2009 11:58 AM

Thanks
 
Hi RichieP,

Thank you especially, and all of the others that are willing to take their time to address any matter that may come up.
Mildeu

RichieP 11-04-2009 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mildeu (Post 61166)
Hi RichieP,

Mildeu

The thanks ALL goes to Pino for sharing it with me a year ago and Mr. Taulbot for the concepts themselves.

:)

albatross 11-04-2009 12:33 PM

Hi Richie the FDK angle you speaking of is not rays.It's from the late jerry stokes book.Him jim Lehane both have books with other angle's profile-wir-sre plus a few other's the one's just mention were mainly jerry jim has a few different one's

mikesal57 11-04-2009 12:47 PM

Heres a list of ray's angles...

http://americanturf.com/pace/rayarticles.cfm

albatross 11-04-2009 01:36 PM

thanks
 
Mike already have it in my favorite's.One i like the best is V angle

mikesal57 11-04-2009 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albatross (Post 61173)
Mike already have it in my favorite's.One i like the best is V angle

hows the action on the "V"...it looks like a long one to wait for..9-1 and within 15 days

mike

gl45 11-04-2009 02:39 PM

lets not forget what Ray said to his students during his private lessons:

"Some racing fans assume that every horse in the field should be credited with every angle which may apper in its chart. This is a mistaken idea, for an angle has little or no value in most instances unless the horse is sharp and owns sufficient pace ability to cope effectively with its field. Therefore the angles and their respective values apply only to horses that come up as the final pace contenders in a given race".

gl45 11-04-2009 02:45 PM

M57,
how are you....I hope you're doing fine....anyway:
The "V" angle was created for the ATM, but the real angle for the students was the "M" angle which has two version, the Long and the Short version.

gl45 11-06-2009 06:56 PM

MNR tonite.
race #4 horse #4
race #5 horse #9
race #9 horses #2 and horse #3

gl45 11-07-2009 05:08 AM

Race#9 horse #2 won $13.20

gl45 11-07-2009 07:24 AM

MNR 11-7-09

race#4 horse #10
race#9 horses #3 #7 #10

only win bets at odds 3-1 or better

mikesal57 11-12-2009 08:09 AM

Does anybody know where Ray's article gone to...the above link doesn't work for me?

mike

Charlie D 11-12-2009 08:22 AM

Link takes you to Home Page

Click on Pace Systems/Angles

mikesal57 11-12-2009 08:45 AM

thx Charlie ..good to see u again...where have u been?

mike

Charlie D 11-12-2009 09:08 AM

Nowhere really Mike i'm afraid. :(:) Time has just been taken up by non US racing related stuff until now.

mikesal57 11-12-2009 09:14 AM

Glad your back ..can use another matcher here :)


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