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Bill V. 09-05-2009 01:52 PM

help
 
Hi guys

Its great to be back. I actually am sitting at my desk
working races from Philly park I feel very good about myself I made the
tough decision and I respect and love those people who work hard to help me
make correct decisions

I have retired from my landscapping part time /good deed job

I'm ready to get serious !!!

I have a few questions I need some help and I appreciate
any time you can give me

Proplem 1

I want to bet 5% of my bank 2 horse win bets or place or show bets on 1 horse

Betting this way I win about 13 races every 20 and average
about $100 for every $80 I bet
This is informal spot recorded on 20 race cycles but its been consistant
since 1997

Is 5% too much for me to bet ??

Bill

JimG 09-05-2009 03:00 PM

Hi Bill,

What do your records indicate is your longest losing streak betting in this manner? That will probably help you to answer your own question.

How often do you intend to adjust your bet given a pct? Every race, daily, weekly, monthly? That could also play into your decision regarding pct. to bet.

Let it Ride.

Jim

Bill V. 09-05-2009 03:51 PM

Cycles
 
Hi Jim

worst case .. after every 3 consecutive losses I stop for awhile
and just read follow ups, when I start again generally I might go 1 more loss
but 90 percent of the time I pick up again with wins
Longest losing stresks are 5 races

I had planned on betting 5% of bank based on each race
based on the results of the previous race

For example start with $200
bet 10 loss now bank is $190
next bet $9 $5 low odds $4.00 High odds
the $4.00 bet wins - $11.00 horse x 2 =$22.00
$190 bank-$9 =$181.00 + 22.00= $203.00 new bank
next bet 5% of $203 or $10.00 $6.00 on low odds $4.00 on high odds
Do you think ths will work for me ?

He gets $75.00 his blood is rare!!!

Bill

JimG 09-05-2009 04:15 PM

Bill,

I think 5% will be okay adjusted after each race based on the info you provided. I tend to be more of a long shot player so 2-3% of bank is as high as I go.

Best of luck. Let us know how it's going.

Jim

For The Lead 09-05-2009 05:37 PM

Hello Bill,

I'm just going to throw my 2 cents in here, but JimG already has you on the right path.

There is this nasty thing called "Element of Ruin". Once you know what that is, you know what you have to do. JimG put you on the right path by asking how long your losing streaks are. If your bankroll and betting pattern can sustain the number of loses your records indicate you may encounter, without going broke, then you are in a safe zone. If it can't, it's time to rethink your bet amount and/or starting bankroll.

Good luck!

gl45 09-05-2009 06:13 PM

What are the average payoff of win bets, and the average payoff of place and show bets. If you know your averages, you can correctly bet your bankroll %.

Bill V. 09-05-2009 06:50 PM

27:10
 
amici :)

I have this

win bets ave $9.60
place bets $3.98
show bets $3.75

"Non abbiamo timore che lo shouldst del thou perda Uno chi l'amore eterno potrebbe scegliere; Ma ne'er questo abuso di tolleranza, Non cadiamo, non cadiamo."

Bill

shoeless 09-05-2009 10:51 PM

Bill, Your very consistant I feel picking winners so unless it's a longshot I wouldnt screw around with place and show.I feel it would be wiser to use that money for exacta play.Jeff

gl45 09-06-2009 06:03 AM

use Kelly and with 65% winning on a 20 races cycle you will do fine

gl45 09-06-2009 08:07 AM

using a random number generator %5 bet with a 65% ( 13 wins out of 20 races) winners constantly since 1997 as you said, you should have retired long time ago.

Bill V. 09-06-2009 08:32 AM

random
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gl45 (Post 59493)
using a random number generator %5 bet with a 65% ( 13 wins out of 20 races) winners constantly since 1997 as you said, you should have retired long time ago.

Hi. Pino

Nobody knows that more than the guy who drives me home....me
Numbers don't lie. Emotions and ego can sink the.best mind and
Program I can't see your attachment to well
From my blackberry but I think its very encouraging
Looking forward to studying it

jms62 09-06-2009 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill V. (Post 59476)
Hi guys

Its great to be back. I actually am sitting at my desk
working races from Philly park I feel very good about myself I made the
tough decision and I respect and love those people who work hard to help me
make correct decisions

I have retired from my landscapping part time /good deed job

I'm ready to get serious !!!

I have a few questions I need some help and I appreciate
any time you can give me

Proplem 1

I want to bet 5% of my bank 2 horse win bets or place or show bets on 1 horse

Betting this way I win about 13 races every 20 and average
about $100 for every $80 I bet
This is informal spot recorded on 20 race cycles but its been consistant
since 1997

Is 5% too much for me to bet ??

Bill

Bill may I be the first to wish you the best in your endevor.. I highly recommend this book on the subject/
http://www.amazon.com/Fortunes-Formu...2252751&sr=8-1
I hope you would consider doing a couple of live cycles here. I think it would energize everyone..

Regards,
jms

Bill V. 09-06-2009 01:06 PM

I
 
Thank you Jim

The book looks interesting

I will.. for sure just give me a few days as I will be betting more than my normal comfort zone.
Since Thursday I have been paper betting and If you check out Bob C.s
Arlington race 8 and The Del mar contest race from Friday
I am making stupid mistakes Yesterday was better but again I was not sharp
as I know I can be. My capping never changes but my "feel" did

To quote Richie "Get over it "

LOL

Bill

Tim Y 09-06-2009 02:11 PM

Over the last two seasons I have polled people IN RACING as to the biggest challenge of the game: DRF columnists, racing secretaries, track historians, track handicappers, track announcers, owners, trainers, fans, newspaper sports writers, sports photographers, stewards, and clockers in BOTH standard bred and thoroughbred fields and, TO A MAN, they have all said that "HOW you translate the handicapping information into the best wager in that odds field IS the biggest and most least understood aspect of the game BAR NONE."

That arena is rarely addressed and has been MY focal point of research the last two years in find the shotgun exotic formula and it is evolving well.

alydar_ David 09-06-2009 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill V. (Post 59476)
...

I want to bet 5% of my bank 2 horse win bets or place or show bets on 1 horse

Betting this way I win about 13 races every 20 and average
about $100 for every $80 I bet
This is informal spot recorded on 20 race cycles but its been consistant
since 1997

Is 5% too much for me to bet ??

Bill

Short Answer: 5% is fine.


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