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shoeless 07-31-2008 07:01 PM

Say It Aint So
 
Manny to the Dodgers,bad move for Red Sox.

Tim Y 07-31-2008 07:48 PM

Best days are far behind him and his fielding is not that great.

shoeless 07-31-2008 08:19 PM

Your right about his fielding but you have him on your team for his bat,one of the best clutch hitters.

azbacks 08-01-2008 01:03 AM

I just love that Manny is in the N.L. West......NOT!!!!!!!!

Dodgers lost tonight, but Manny's bat could really change things out west.

RichieP 08-01-2008 07:08 AM

Manny is a cancer to any team he goes to with that attitude. Maybe Torre will light a fire under his ass although with the salaries these superstars make that is kinda out.

One REALLY appreciates the work ethic/hustle by A-Rod who is the games greatest player when you compare them to jerkoffs like MR.

Would have loved to see Manny play and pull his showing up antics against the likes of Bob Gibson. Guarantee after the first knockdown he loses the act.

Houndog 08-01-2008 10:56 AM

Don Drysdale
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 36655)
Manny is a cancer to any team he goes to with that attitude. Maybe Torre will light a fire under his ass although with the salaries these superstars make that is kinda out.

One REALLY appreciates the work ethic/hustle by A-Rod who is the games greatest player when you compare them to jerkoffs like MR.

Would have loved to see Manny play and pull his showing up antics against the likes of Bob Gibson. Guarantee after the first knockdown he loses the act.

Richie, agree with Bob Gibson. Right-handed hitters especially had a hard time against him. In 1968 he posted a 1.12 ERA with 28 complete games. Amazing for a starting pitcher. Don Drysdale also was not against knocking down a batter or two during the course of a game.

Bill V. 08-01-2008 12:40 PM

Favorite Team
 
Jeff

Nice baseball thread as we head into the dog days of August

I wonder who members of Pace and Cap root for?

Come on people Lets see who is your favorite baseball team ?


I will start if off.

The Giants NY and SF

My favorite player as a kid. # 44 Willie McCovey...
Best moment ? of course
Bobby Thompson's shot heard round the world still gets to me
every time " The Giants win the pennant !!!!

Houndog 08-01-2008 12:54 PM

Favorite Team
 
Long time Chicago Cubs fan. Hope to see them in the World Series one of these days.

I attended a Cubs game when they were playing the Dodgers. Kenny Holtzman was pitching against Sandy Koufax. It was a real pitcher's duel and Kenny Holltzman had a no hitter going into the 8th or 9th inning. The Cubs won 2-1. Sandy Koufax has always been one of my favorites. He wasn't a big guy but it was amazing how much velocity he had on his fastball.

He did all of this despite having arthritis of the elbow. He soaked his elbow in ice and continued to pitch for several years. I could only imagine how painful it would be to pitch with arthritis and he is a great example of the dedication he had which is lacking in many of the modern era baseball players.

azbacks 08-01-2008 03:35 PM

Favorite team
 
Growing up I liked the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Giants. Growing up in an area with no major league teams (Seattle) at the time, I was more interested in watching a good game or to see how a favorite player was doing.

Drysdale's reaction to the intentional walk: "Why waste four pitches, just hit the batter with the first one."


Pete

shoeless 08-01-2008 03:49 PM

I was a die hard Senators fan in the 50's and followed them to the Twin Cities.I really dont have a favorite team now having the baseball package on Directv I will just watch the best game.


favorite players

Harmon Killebrew
Camilio Pasqual[one of the best curveballs ever]
Tony Olivia
Rod Carew

shoeless 08-01-2008 03:56 PM

One REALLY appreciates the work ethic/hustle by A-Rod who is the games greatest player when you compare them to jerkoffs like MR.


Richie,Are you kidding?A Rod is one of the biggest prima donnas out there.I like in the All Star Game the last in Yankee Stadium he cuts out after the 6th inning.What's up with that s***?

As far as being the games greatest player my belief is when you call somebody that they better deliver the goods in clutch situations and he definitely isnt on the top of anyones list .

Rverge 08-01-2008 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndog (Post 36660)
Richie, agree with Bob Gibson. Right-handed hitters especially had a hard time against him. In 1968 he posted a 1.12 ERA with 28 complete games. Amazing for a starting pitcher. Don Drysdale also was not against knocking down a batter or two during the course of a game.

THEN the mound was lowered!

shoeless 08-01-2008 04:50 PM

I thought I would add greatest player of all time for me it's a no brainer

THE BABE

How can you argue against a guy who won 90 games as a starting pitcher and hit over 700 homers.

Rverge 08-01-2008 04:54 PM

j bay
 
hey yens guys you passed over jay bay going to boston! he'll do real good there:rolleyes: we'll see as he has a lot of bats around him not so much in the burg. also, his BA is not good with runners in Pos. and as one fellow told me years ago "Shake a tree and watch those GLOVES fall out , but show me those RBI'S"
Rverge

Bill V. 08-01-2008 06:10 PM

Jeter
 
hi Jeff

I have to agree with you
The heart and soul of the Yankees Is standing next to A rod
SS Derek Jeter

My all time best player
Taken the fact he played so long in nightmare Candle Stick Park
and put up great numbers
I vote for Willie Mays

RichieP 08-01-2008 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoeless (Post 36679)
One REALLY appreciates the work ethic/hustle by A-Rod who is the games greatest player when you compare them to jerkoffs like MR.


Richie,Are you kidding?A Rod is one of the biggest prima donnas out there.I like in the All Star Game the last in Yankee Stadium he cuts out after the 6th inning.What's up with that s***?

As far as being the games greatest player my belief is when you call somebody that they better deliver the goods in clutch situations and he definitely isnt on the top of anyones list .

As far as work ethic and off field preparation A-Rod sets a standard VERY few can match big bro.

For me in todays game if I need a clutch hit to win a huge game and everything is on the line give me a healthy "Papi" Ortiz. This coming from a Yankee fan. He is unconscious.

Greatest ballplayer of all time? Pete Rose by a whisker over the Babe
:eek:

shoeless 08-01-2008 07:49 PM

Remains to be seen with Manny not in the lineup how it will affect Big Papi's numbers.

kiltman 08-01-2008 07:56 PM

Great Ballplayers
 
I will take Ted Williams not just on the field but off also. He volunteered to fly Marine fighter jets during Korean war when he could have stayed home with the Red Sox and made alot more than a fighter pilot. He also wasnt a bad hitter either as I recall

azbacks 08-01-2008 08:51 PM

Modern ballplayers
 
Alluding to what Richie mentioned about the attitude of the modern ballplayer; what gets to me is their play in 'The Contract Year.' Happens to some extent in all sports. A player gets a decent contract for x years and then under performs until the last year of the contract, then its gangbusters to get a bigger contract. Worse i guess is the guy who gets a big contract and tanks before the ink can dry.

Pete

The Cardinals (football) with the cheap ownership don't have this problem very often.:(

Slewbacca 08-02-2008 11:41 AM

My favorite team is the Houston Astros. Unfortunately,for me,they are going to be BAD for a long time to come.

Bill V
I have a great story about Willie McCovey. After graduating from college and just before med school, I worked as a bell hop at the Marriott near the Astrodome. Most of the visiting teams stayed there. One night, I had to drive over to pick up a couple of kids whose parents had dropped them off at the game. As I was starting to drive away, a big dude carrying a Giants bag stopped me and asked for a ride to the Marriott and I let him in. That was unusual as the team provides transportation back to the hotel. Traffic was horrible so I strike up a conversation with the guy in the front seat and ask him if he was a player and what was his name. He responded and said "I am Wille McCovey." It turns out that he was due up in the 9th inning with the Giants trailing by one run and 2 outs and men on 1st and 2nd. The Astros had a left handed pitcher in and the manager decided to play the percentages and brought in a right hand batter(Mike Ivey I think) who proceeded to strike out on 3 pitches.

Mr McCovey said to me"It is frustrating when you know you can still play and they don't give you a chance. I am going to retire at the end of this roadtrip." He wound up retiring about 1 week later when the team got back to San Francisco. He was very classy despite being pi$$ed off.

Bill V. 08-02-2008 01:00 PM

Stretch
 
Hi . Wow what a nice story !
Yes Willie McCovey was my favorite player . Sure there was Wilie Mays and Bobby Bonds Juan Marachel and all the Good players
But I rooted for Stretch .
Willie McCovey is kind of the reason I became a Giants fan . As a kid growing up in North Jersey everybody was a Yankee or
Mets fan. About the time I started to watch baseball my friend from across the street who was from a family of Yankee fans
Had just come back from a vacation to California. One Day playing in his garage I saw a black baseball hat with and orange
SF on the front. I asked my friend about the hat, He said his dad brought it for him when they were in San Fransisco
He just wore it on the trip but never anymore. I asked if I could see it he got it down and I put it on
A few days later we were playing and my friend asked his dad If I could have the hat
His dad said sure and I became a SF giants fan. As a kid I was always tall for my age So my friends called me Stretch
Back then The only time I saw The Giants was when the Mets played them I was way to young to see
the 62 world series against the Yankees. when I found out that Willie McCovey was called stretch too he became my favorite
He always hit well against the Mets so I saw him at his best he bounced around alittle in the mid 70's but came back to
The Giants to be a very good pinch hitter.

Sad how he went out unhappy but They love him in San Fransisco And Now there is McCovey Cove over the right field fence
in his honor

Bill


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