What's your opinion
 

This is a race I did and I wanted to find out what 2 horses you liked from the readouts and why.This continues to be my biggest problem how to seperate the contenders once I have them entered.Hopefully your feedback will help.Thanks Jeff

Opinion
 

Well Jeff Princ with the highest Total Energy, lowest UXR and all the Paragons is the most obvious choice. Actually a standout in comparison to the other 3. So let's leave Princ for now and concentrate on the other horses.

Of the other 3 Asc; Dance; and Tiara I prefer ASC the least. Of the other 2 Tiara does have by the readouts a significant advantage in the Early stages of the race. Tiara has a 0.00 EMUV; is the 0.00 MUV horse with the next horse being Princ having a 2.19 MUV, this is a large gap between the 0.00 MUV and the next horse so Energy calls the Variegate Early.

In the EXDC Match Up Graphs the 0.00 horses are Princ and Tiara. Tiara has double 0.00's in 2 columns. I am concerned about Tiara's F3 of 29.71 in a route race. Tiara needs to save some of that Energy for the later portions of the race. Jeff Princ looks obvious here but for myself personally when they look this good for me they don't win as often as I would like.

Hi Jeff

Going by what i see on screen shots, as Houndog states Princ looks a standout, Tiara's Fr3 looks very weak, so i'd probably chuck it and concentrate on the other two contenders who look to be more likely dangers to the standout and of those two Dance looks to have the better balance overall

Mike,What's the reasoning for not liking ASC?

Charlie,Appreciate the opinion Jeff

Shoeless: A belated Happy Birthday to you... What catches my eye is the Early Matchup and Late Matchup. It looks like Tiara should get the jump on these, with Princ closing, but no one looks to really challenge Tiara. Not knowing if Tiara would be compromised with any other earlies in the race, since we only see these contenders, my guess is Tiara could wire these. The other two contenders don't seem to have a strong enough early or late to threaten. Also like Tiara's strong FX to go with the top EP on the Energy readout. Princ is solid across the Energy board which makes him definitely one of the top two contenders, in my opinion...What did you come up with in your final analysis?...Marty

Marty thanks for the wishes.The horses you see are the only ones that I felt had a chance.I know you could put them all in but I prefer not to do that.Using Energy I have been told by RxLawyer,Houndog and Richie[when he was using it] that less is better and who am I to argue with these 3 guys.I get my contenders first before turning the computer on.I have strayed away from this and Pino keeps drumming it into my thick skull and Richie has told me in the past DONT PLAY RACES YOU DONT UNDERSTAND.So now if I cant get the race down to 3 or 4 horses I stay out of it.Sorry for rambling on like this.Anyway I thought Princ would win and liked Dance for 2nd,I will wait to see if anybody else chimes in and then will give the result.Thanks for your opinion and analysis it has helped.Jeff

Asc
 

Jeff, I don't hate the horse, but to me ASC and DANCE are close in the readouts. I give a slight edge to DANCE because of the lower overall UXR.

Also comparing F2 and F3 for these 2 horses I see Dance as slightly better. I don't see either of theme threatening Princ with their readouts. Honestly Jeff ASC and Dance are very close in their readouts.

Tiara at least has some clear advantage in the Emuv, MUV, and the 0.00's in the EXDC Match-up. ASC and Dance can't keep up with Tiara early and can't compete late with Princ.

Mike,Thanks for explaining that,I forgot to tell you guys it was a 8.5 furlong race.


Tiara wired the field at 9-1 and Princ ran 2nd to complete a 60.00 ex.I didnt bet the race as Im only paper betting for now[since Tampa closed have had a bad run].I let the F3 on Tiara sway my opinion.Thanks for the replies.Jeff

Jeff
--with your contender and paceline selection you should be wacking the hell out of this game
--go get 'em man

MIKE b

Jeff
Just thinking aloud here. Can you use some of Jim Lehane's Value Line stuff to make a line on your contenders? If yes maybe that would help you. I notice he seems to focus on using raw data and that would match up with the software you are showing ok? I don't know the ins and outs of CH that is why I ask.

I agree with Mike. You are very good at contender/paceline stuff.

Jeff


Philly on 15th, 1 chucked out because of weak Fr3

This is worth a lot more than a 9-1 winner you have missed here

Same Race Energy
 

Charlie, in Energy the picture seems to be less clear as regards to F3. You will get some races in RDSS that Energy misses; of course it works the other way also. I am not disputing the validity of either program as they are both very good tools.

I used the same lines and horses as you did for comparison purposes.

Lady Turn Time
 

Lady Grandeur picks it up in F2 in comparison to Inaheartbeat. Inaheartbeat could not sustain it's early advantage to the second fraction. In the EXDC Match-Up graph Inahearbeat has the 0.00 in first column; while Lady Grandeur has the 0.00 in the second column.

I see in the chart Inaheartbeat once again gets headed and gives way. Charlie I totally agree with "The Power Of The Fighter".

Hi Houndog

Shouldn't they be the same???


BTW, By posting the above i'm just trying to encourage Jeff, as i get impression his confidence is a bit low. He's got 1st and 2nd in his top four and if he is doing that as on a regular basis, he's on the right track and as Mike states

Go get em Jeff

No Problem
 

Charlie, no problem I know you were just trying to help Jeff. The reason I posted the Energy screenshots was to compare the F3's. Depending on the RDSS setup (Validator or Speculator mode) that will change the readouts. Also if you are using the ITV or not makes a difference. In Energy as you know the adjustments are made by the horses entered. RDSS uses the Track Variants and the ITV in the adjustment process. Turning off both the Track Variant and ITV in RDSS and probably using Validator mode will probably most closely resemble the readout you get in the Energy program.

What both programs point out is the weak turn time Inaheartbeat has in comparison to Lady Grandeur.

I see,


i didn't use anything but the Match UP of raw times and intution for this race, which showed the #1 would get pressure and thus collapse as it had done previously with race going OTE


Though they are useful, don't rely on computer readouts too much guys is my advice


Chucking out the 1 made it

Condender - fair odds

#2 - 1.27
#3 - 4.57

horses at the head of the market can be exceptional value

Thanks Mike,Richie,Charlie,Houndog very much appreciated.

Richie,You might be right about Lehane.

Hello Gentlemen,
I am new here. I have playing this game for a long time and I can tell you that I always lost more then I won until I started lurking around here. I have
learned quite a bit from here that I don't know how to thank you.

Shoeless has interesting questions and you guys always helping, in fact others reading this also learning. I am going to start donating to this board as a appreciation for all the help I have got from here.

Blade Runner,Thanks for the post,Im glad somebody benefits from my excessive questioning.Shoeless

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Welcome Blade Runner

Thank you for the very nice words
So many work so hard here and the results are the reason
it works I thank you for you support of Pace and Cap
have a great day


Jeff excellent post Thank you for your help
Your desire to learn and improve helps many

Bill

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Hi Bill,
This was long overdue, I have been lurking around here for quite sometime.
I was losing and I was desperate. I bought Spec160 and started reading here how to use the software my handicapping changed for the better. I am using RDSS at present. Thanks to Ted. His videos helped me tremendously. I also have Mr. Jim Bradshaw both Matchup books.

Ted told me that there is a library section here where someone can read about Follow ups and other reading material's. Is this subscription based ?
I would like to join and how much does it cost ?

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I will send you the access
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Raman,

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Blade Runner,Bill has really done a great job here.Jeff

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Thanks Jeff

I would be very sad and feel awful if this all went away
Its all the efforts of the group that makes this work

Everything I can do I do for the love of Doc Sartin
and users of the methodology and for general
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because they share in the Pace and Cap theme
of helping others win

GS
Bill

Shoeless, yes indeed Bill has great stuff there. I also want to apologize to you for hijacking your thread. I just got carried away.
I know I am going to have questions and I am going to come looking for you.

Raman

No apology needed here Im just glad your posting