a radical proposal
 

As one who usually goes against the grain making decisions on what the I FIND rather than listening to the crowd, I propose (from limited experience) that POLYTRACK is NOT going to do anything to bias except set up characteristic biases at the courses JUST THE WAY the old dirt courses did or continue to do. SO FAR, Keeneland has completley changed, but folks forget that not only was the surface changed, but the LAYOUT of the course and it some of the gradients in the old course were flattened.

Woodbine has not radically changed. In the big feature today the top two e/l horses ran 1 -3 just the same way as the course has always run. SO FAR, Polytrack is simply making each course distinct just like the dirt does.
4th race - Woodbine - October 14, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
3 Barracuda Boy 10.40 5.60 8.30
2 Sextet 13.60 18.00
4 Pellegrino (BRZ) 11.00

question
 

Mr Tompkins

How are you coming up with the remark The top two
rated on the Late/Early

Issues

The winner of the race is # 3
ok you show two lines for this horse
Line1 for #3 shows a -4.0 late with a total energy of 162.1
which is ranked 7th and a little less than 7 points to
the #6 horse which your showing two lines for
One from line2 with a -16 late and 1 from line 3 with a 5 Early
each of these lines has a much higher total energy
figure than the winner
or the show horse # 4 and each line is very near the readouts
for the 4 and the 3 but these are much less supported by total energy

from what or were are you getting this statement
In the big feature today the top two e/l horses ran 1 -3 just the same way as the course has always run.

Please help me with this as it seems confusing to
the readers
Bill

very simple
 

The total energy has NOTHING to do with the e/l relativity NOTHING....as again it hits as a splitzacta. It is simply Order within Chaos telling us the relative energy distributions of the horses in this field and has NOTHING to do with any other screen which would just confuse the issue. E/L relativity, at the courses where it works, is simple and a dynamite handicapping angle. It is still working well after 5 years since I discovered it. If folks want to use it, consider it, or pass on it, it is up to them.

This angle was substantiated after reading the great book BLINK by Malcolm Galdwell. People owe themselves the experience of his ideas on implicit understanding. They are universal.
2nd race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
7 And a Bump 12.90 5.70 3.30
2 Dancer's Flyer 8.80 4.90
1 Diamond Blues 2.50

$2 Triactor 7-2-1 241.30
$2 Daily Double 7-7 140.70
$2 Exactor 7-2 107.60

looks like u entered a wrog line in this race the top 2 are the 4 and 6 -winner is ranked 3rd on the screen - think that is what is causing the confusion

not in any way meant to invalidate the angle - just not on the screen shown

check it out
hope all is well
Rich

From MY studies of the energy distribtuion of winners, I have come to understand that a race is NOT all velocity and NOT all position (a la Brohammer) but somewhere in between.

From years of education one thing is clear: there are NO absolutes about anything. You have to look between the lines to find hidden order if it is there. I found it.

4th race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
3 Count to Three 5.10 3.40 2.70
1 Culpeper Moon 7.40 3.80
4 Exit to Heaven 3.30

$2 Triactor 3-1-4 94.20
$2 Exactor 3-1 28.70

Order within chaos e/l relativity shows again at this race course. Two out of the highest three run 1-2.

three of four races tells one that this order is there.
3rd race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
3 Sanibel Star 10.40 3.80 2.40
8 Poetic Fan 2.50 2.10
4 Not in My House 2.50

$2 Exactor 3-8 27.10

Thanks Rich
Nice Job Mr Tompkins, your angle looks very strong
again I was just speaking for the readers as we see something and you
said something else Just doing my job
Bill

Total energy Is very much a part of the E/L readout as it was developed by Doctor Sartin
Not the relativity you speak of
So I feel my opinion is just as valid as yours
Good Skill
Bill V

bottom line
 

You do what works even though it is not written down in some 10 year old magazine.

E/l
 

Actually It was right from Doc's mouth

I was working a race with him on the phone
I missed a $31.00 winner, Doc asked me why I did not
bet It? I said because it was 19.5 on the E/L
He said with a bit of anger "What Is it's total Energy?"
I said 170 Ranked # 1 He said to use both readouts together
thats why they are on the screen

I hardly use the readout anymore
when I am using software I will glance at the screen and just look
for Counter energys or extream earlys or lates I can eliminate

But Your screen shots are impressive
wish you much success
Bill

8th race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
2 Hydethetreasure 10.00 5.40 3.70
4 One for Nicky 4.00 2.90
7 Belle of Ascot 4.30

$2 Triactor 2-4-7 243.20
$2 Exactor 2-4 44.30

Hard to deny something that keeps repeating and repeating.

wild
 

both lines shown
wild early for the 7.0 line 1

on and on
 

Doesn't get much more clear cut than this one.
9th race - Woodbine - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
5 Gigi's Charm 15.00 7.60 4.40
1 Great Auntee 5.50 3.60
2 Straightlittlelady 7.10

$2 Triactor 5-1-2 593.40 ran 5-1-2-8
$2 Exactor 5-1 79.50
$1 Pick 3 1-2-5 (3 correct) 25.85

That wild early was IMPROVING early speed.

Top 3 Total Energy
 

Yes best early with top 3
Total Energy = a healthy $15 winner

more order within chaos right on the e/l screen.
8th race - Oak Tree At Santa Anita - October 15, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
8 Razen Hazen 6.40 3.60 2.60
7 Hole in the Head 4.20 3.00
6 Lite Man 3.00

$2 Daily Double 5-8 28.20
$1 Exacta 8-7 11.50

Top two e/ls run 1-2

Once again
Top 3 Total Energyand Early readout
dominates this cheap(for OSA) claimer
at 6 furlongs

missing the point
 

e/l relativity is a way to view the entire field, NOT limiting observation to the winner. It allows one to isolate entries into the exacta, trifecta. A way of putting the field into relative positions.

Very good
I wish you success in what ever your doing

works even better in the bad weather. A UNIVERSAL angle working better at speed favoring courses.
1st race - Philadelphia Park - October 17, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
2 General Principle 13.40 5.40 3.00
5 Cary Me 2.60 2.20
4 Carolina's Punch 2.40

$2 Exacta 2-5 36.00
$2 Trifecta 2-5-4 81.40

6th race - Philadelphia Park - October 17, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
1 In a Blaze O Glory 4.40 2.40 2.10
5 Esclarecido (BRZ) 2.80 2.60
4 Majestic Lake 2.80

$2 Exacta 1-5 10.80
$2 Trifecta 1-5-4 26.80

everyone and his brother saw this one but look to the e/l rankings to see Order within Chaos.

e/l exacta.
10th race - Philadelphia Park - October 17, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
8 Blue's Nugget 11.40 4.20 3.00
6 Silver Proof Set 2.40 2.20
4 Pass the Sword 4.40

$2 Exacta 8-6 26.80
$2 Superfecta 8-6-4-5 503.60
$2 Trifecta 8-6-4 125.20

Maybe I'm just dense, and I've reread your original post several times, but I just don't understand what it is you're doing? What are you looking at to base your decision?

Thanks

look at the relative VALUES of these e/l numbers

I still don't get it.

this one makes it very clear
 

4th race - Woodbine - October 18, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
2 Put Upon 5.20 3.60 3.20
7 Garzon 8.60 6.20
9 Lahave 3.90

$2 Triactor 2-7-9 326.20
$2 Exactor 2-7 64.50

Obvious
 

1st race - Woodbine - October 19, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
6 Very Professional 19.10 8.60 4.70
4 Size Matters 4.80 3.10
5 Tiger Claw 3.30

$2 Triactor 6-4-5 233.00
$2 Exactor 6-4 81.20

with the energy coordination, this was an automatic bet on the 6 and 9. Again this is CHARACTERISITIC of the 7.0 furlong e/l normal for that course even BEFORE the surface change.

Turbo,
Makes two of us, I haven't see any race posted before the fact, yet.
Pino

"Never Look A Gift Horse In The Mouth"
 

I BELIEVE THAT "TOMPKINS" MADE SOME STRONG POINTS.
HIS SCREENSHOTS INDICATE THAT HE IS DEFINITELY ON THE RIGHT
TRACK.
"NEVER LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH." :D
IN AN EFFORT TO LEND CREDIBILTY TO HIS POSTINGS, I'VE
HANDICAPPED 8 RACES FROM TODAYS KEENLAND.
I'VE INCORPORATED HIS METHOD INTO MINE.
THE RACES IN QUESTION ARE ON THE NEW POLYTRACK SURFACE.
I AM A WIN BETTOR SO I'LL POST MY WIN BET CHOICES.

RACE - 1.....(9)

RACE - 3.....(1)

RACE - 4.....(9)

RACE - 5.....(3)

RACE - 7.....(7)

RACE - 8.....(3)

RACE - 9.....(2)

RACE - 10...(12)

Bill,
I don't understand the methods that Tompkins is using, and how he uses. Call me obtuse, but isn't clear to me, yet. As for credibility, at least you post races before the fact, and for me that is credibility, untill then.........
Pino

What he's doing in the screenshot above is using the positive number 15.5 for the #6 Very P combined with its Total Energy of 171.7 and also using the positive 16.6 for Relau with its total energy of 171.7. The two best horses in the race if the odds were right they would both be win bets.

warning
 

WARNING: This only works at SOME tracks and Keeneland is NOT ONE OF THEM. BEWARE!!

Also it has OFTEN nothing to do with total energy, just the relative positivity of the e/l to the rest. It is for finding mulitple horses in exotics.

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Also it has OFTEN nothing to do with total energy, just the relative positivity of the e/l to the rest. It is for finding mulitple horses in exotics.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

You good work does not go unoticed. It might be possible that your
method is good for the tracks that you play and the way you interpret
them. Because of your postings, and doing some test races, there is a strong possibility that these numbers can also be modified to all tracks. providing that one can come up with the correct contenders and for the most part, the appropriate pace lines. Today is more or less a test run at Keenland because of it's degree of difficulty. Hopefully, the results will be positive. Nice work.

Scratches
 

So far we have 2 scratches:

RACE - 1.....(9) Scratched

RACE - 3.....(1)

RACE - 4.....(9)

RACE - 5.....(3)

RACE - 7.....(7)

RACE - 8.....(3) Scratched

RACE - 9.....(2)

RACE - 10...(12)

Kee looks more like the mirror image
 

3rd race - Keeneland - October 12, 2006

Off at: 2:16 Race Type: Allowance
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Value of Race: $50,440
Distance: Six Furlongs
Surface Type: All Weather Track Track Condition: Fast
Winning Time: 1:09.44
Pgm Horse Jockey Win Place Show
7 Bammel Shaun Bridgmohan 30.80 11.60 5.20
2 Dance Man Phil Teator 12.80 5.40
3 Cotton King Rafael Bejarano 2.20
Also ran: 1A - Shark , 1 - Battle Ridge , 6 - Regwell , 4 - Sky Diving

We lost race (3). A good reason why is because I failed to get the winner as a contender. That always helps.:D
However, I don't expect to be successful in every race

We lost race (4) and once again we failed to include the winner as a contender, although it was favored.

We won race (5) and at this point I am slightly behind but not enough to
think about.

Let see what races 7, 9 and 10 bring.

order within chaos
 

7th race - Woodbine - October 20, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
3 Ide Be Gone 10.80 5.10 3.50
4 Tall Cool One 3.40 2.90
1 Strabane Trail 5.40

$2 Triactor 3-4-1 297.20

see the "structure" in this tri? Top four e/l's give you a nice payoff

We won race (7) at a short price but enough to put me on the plus side.
As of now we are 2 wins out of 4 races with races 9 and 10 to go.
Tompkins, your research looks very much like a plus.

small price, same structure
 

8th race - Woodbine - October 20, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
1 Sealy Hill 7.90 3.70 2.80
3 My List 3.10 2.50
4 Small Lies 4.20

$2 Triactor 1-3-4 105.50

top four e/l's gives one the exacta.

We won the 9th Race and had a scratch in the 10th.

3 - 5 winners on the day on a polytrack surface.

Thompson, I'm impressed. :D