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Ted Craven 07-11-2020 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MJS6916 (Post 128613)
to answer 1:

I believe there may be a distinction between lines 3+ that may be less than 100 days ago as opposed to 200+ days ago.

to answer 3:

the date of the paceline would be helpful, if days before today's event can't be done.

Overall if I'm going back 4 or more lines, I think the date of that paceline would complete the picture for me,

while saving time from toggling back & forth from screen to screen, etc.


No problem Mike, and thanks. It appears there is duplicate data exported now re the Layoff period (Col L AND Col MX). The latter column group should properly be related to the chosen paceline, so the lLyoff dating from THAT line should be what sits in Col MX. And will.


Ted

Ted Craven 07-11-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveEdwards (Post 128606)
I've been thinking a little about this recently as it happens. I'll throw my half baked ideas into the ring.

As is, the Excel export is geared towards race analysis. From the perspective of an individual horse it might be an idea to add an additional export button or box to tick for individual horse format.

Ideas for individual horse 10 line export.
1st section replicates the original screen, at least up to the Finish Position column. Also the workout, trip tabs and top section earnings/win% box and standard horse data.

This would allow anyone to conduct basic form analysis in Excel, perhaps somewhere when RDSS isn't available to them, but Excel is.
If it's easier, this could be added to the end of the current export. This would avoid any wholesale changes to existing spreadsheets used to extrapolate data.

Personally, I would find it a great benefit to have the basic horse data as a part of the excel export. Hopefully others think so to.
Hopefully too it isn't too onerous a task to add.


Dave,

I have been tinkering with Exporting EVERYTHING to Excel or CSV, every horse's data, workouts, the Tandem comparison screens, Tote (including Exacta/Quinella and Double grids) - everything. This essentially exists in the Cache folder system for each race, but just not in a common public format. Getting a separate Excel template (separate from the Analysis export) to hold such data is the main time issue, otherwise all the data just looks like a jumble. With those Excel or CSV files, one can do whatever one wants. I wouldn't mind 'crowd sourcing' the creation of pretty Excel files, once the layout is nailed down.

Also Result Charts - both standalone for the race, and integrated into the horse's PPs (i.e. each horse's performance in today's race is line 0) - exported in Excel and/or CSV format.

Several others have suggested this, which is why I have been working on it.

Ted

DaveEdwards 07-12-2020 07:00 AM

Great news Ted.

I'd be happy to be involved in anything to do with the Excel side in terms of ideas, presentation etc. My spreadsheets tend to be more functional than pretty perhaps, but happy to be on board with that.

What kind of time scale are we looking at with this? I'll have plenty of time in August if that works for you.

DaveEdwards 07-12-2020 07:01 AM

Great news Ted.

I'd be happy to be involved in anything to do with the Excel side in terms of ideas, presentation etc. My spreadsheets tend to be more functional than pretty perhaps, but happy to be on board with that.

What kind of time scale are we looking at with this? I'll have plenty of time in August if that works for you.

DaveEdwards 07-12-2020 07:15 AM

Thinking about it, anytime after next week will be good.

dogkatcher 07-12-2020 04:43 PM

On the Tote Screen, the PW% would be easier to read if the color coding used throughout the program was continued. Black & White for the 4th and 5th positions. Just saying, or it could be these worn out eyes need help.

Ted Craven 07-12-2020 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dogkatcher (Post 128658)
On the Tote Screen, the PW% would be easier to read if the color coding used throughout the program was continued. Black & White for the 4th and 5th positions. Just saying, or it could be these worn out eyes need help.

Time for new glasses John? ;) 4th is bold non-coloured, 5th and worse is non-bolded, non-coloured.

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Ted

Mitch44 07-12-2020 06:29 PM

Personally I would like to see the whole color code change. Say what? Sure old users would have to adapt, but don't we have to do that throughout life. Things change, computers,browsers etc.

The color red for the #1 horse is just the opposite of what the #1 horse should be. Red pretty much is significant with danger in everything. Reason is its to draw attention, whether a stop sign etc. It indicates danger and take notice.

Now Sartin said that in most factors the winner average ranks is 2.86 (or in the top 3) after that the number of winners significantly drop off. That's the case with any good factor. With that in mind I'd like to see something like :

# 1 Green
2 Yellow
3 Black
4 Red

Also it would be nice to a green box or green underline for any horse that Gaps the others.

Hey this is the suggestion box.

FWIW,
Mitch44

papajohn3times 07-12-2020 09:06 PM

Hi Ted
I meant the actual %medium of the winner of the race that has just been run, not what he ran in the selected line I used for anaylis. And I still would like to see POWER MOVES AS THOUGHT BY RITCHIE P.
Papa John

Ted Craven 07-14-2020 11:52 AM

John, further to this and to your email to me with a screenshot of the colour scheme you meant - you were referring to the colour scheme of the PW% rating as it appears on the Tote Tab, which indeed has a different colour scheme (historical evolution of that screen). Now that I know which screen you meant - yes indeed, I will sync those colours with the traditional rank colour scheme used on all RDSS Analysis screens.

Thanks for pointing this out!

Ted

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Originally Posted by Ted Craven (Post 128660)
Time for new glasses John? ;) 4th is bold non-coloured, 5th and worse is non-bolded, non-coloured.

http://paceandcap.com/forums/attachm...3&d=1594588606

Ted



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