Thanks for the update Don. It is a killer angle.
Tim

The angle struck again in r11 at Parx. Joe Taylor had the 1@7/2 and the 3 @8-1. The 3 had been off 368 days and caught the fav #2 late to win and pay $19.40 and completing a $67.60 late dd and a $74.40 ex, 70.30 tri and a $51.88 super. Got to love it.
Tim

Congratulations on hitting that Tim, and Darryl!


Ted

Regards the Angle.
4th race Belterra
2 for the same trainer 1-5,the outsider of the 2 wins 5= 7/2 uk price bet365 have not looked at the American odds.
Only going by the bet365 page so not sure if uncoupled or not saw the 1-5 same trainer and actually got the winner.

Michael.

Update to this 7th race Belterra Ackerman has 2 runners
1-11.
3/1 and 9/4 they seem to be backing the 11 down.

The 5 in r4 pd 10.40 at the track. The 1 went off 8/5. Nice win Mike.
Tim
Tim

Once again the angle strikes. This time at Canterbury Downs in r4 a turf race. Trainer David Van Winkle sent out the #7 &8. The 7 was a turf horse and went off at 9-1 while the 8 was trying the turf for the 1st time and went off at 21-1. The 8 won and pd 45.40. The hits just keep on coming.
Tim

Hope you had it.

2nd race Belmont 1-7
7 wins 20/1 UK price.
Pity I missed it

TWow - I went to high school with David way back when. - its a small world.

Tim,

What is the underlying reason the longer priced uncoupled entry horse wins so often?

Chuck

Tim,

What is the underlying reason the longer priced half of an uncoupled entry wins so often?

Hi Chuck. The only thing that I can say is that it was explained to me that in most cases[enter as a rabbit is one exception] the trainer feels either one can win the race no matter what the morning line odds maker or public think.
Tim

Well we had another one at Parx on Saturday June 25 Race 11 Trainer Steve Hamilton has two entered
#3 Dizzy Gillespie @39/1 and #13 Ahsad @37/1. They came in 1st & 2nd for a $2 Exactor of $3,142.40
The odds on favorite was a neck behind and tripped a .50 Tri of $5771.10
Darryl

Darryl - That is an eye opener!

Tim - I'm adding this to my checklist on the first pass through the PPs.

Many thanks -

Chuck

Your welcome Chuck. That's what this site is about sharing info to help each other win.
Tim

If I may add.

Generally, the shorter the field the less likely the longer priced of
a trainer's entries will be a threat.
Our multiple-entry trainer could be making sure the race fills.
Especially if it's a condition which runs like clockwork at your track such as 2 weeks or more often.

Look for common ownership. If no common ownership, one being used as a rabbit for the other isn't as likely either.

Stakes events, graded or not, I don't think the above applies as well.

Remember we're saying generally.

Good point MJ. Folks remember it's an angle and not a handicapping factor. For those with time it might be helpful to keep a list of trainers that score with this angle a good amount of the time they enter 2 horses in a race. Maybe you can pick up a viable pattern.
Tim

Thanks Tim

Los Alamitos Race 5 7/8 Doug O'Neil had two horses entered that were uncoupled. One entry was the 4/5 favorite, the other went off at 18/1. Guess who won and paid 39 dollars.

On Saturday Chad brown had two races with uncoupled entries and won all both with his longest price entry.

5 race Shutter won paying 14.20

8 race G 1 Diane Brown had 4 entries that finished 1,2,3,4 his longest odd entry won paying 18,60

On the flip side, Pletcher had a horrible day

Coming soon in RDSS ... Uncoupled Entries.

The same trainer has the same 'a' 'b' etc uncoupled entry identifier.

Pletcher trains #1 and #4

Attachment 50341

Trainer Horacio De Paz trains #2 and #13 (both have 'b'). Trainer Jorge R Abreu trains #6 and #9 (both have 'a')

Attachment 50342

Existing COUPLED entry designations remain unchanged (#1 and #1A)

Attachment 50343

Chad Brown trains #1, #3, #4, #6 (all have 'a')

Attachment 50344

:)

Ted

Nice work Ted.
Tim

Uncoupled entries : an essay
Saratoga July 14
There were 5 races with uncoupled entries . One won and paid but $9. One long shot finished 3rd behind two well bet horses for a$50 Tri
Here’s a breakdown.
R3 Maker #3,7 9/2 & 5-1 finished last and 4 th in 6 horse race.
R6 B. Lucas 6&8 @21-1 and 15-1. Didn’t look like much finished 6th and 10th
R8 Clement had 2 both 7/2 finished first and 3 rd . Winner paid $9. Casse had 2 but one was AEand was scratched.
R9 Casse had 3 #3,10-1,#414-1 and #6 4-1. Interesting in that there were 2 standouts in the race, so it cried out to put the longer shots for 3rd. The #5 , longest,finished 3rd and the TRI paid $50. The 6 finished 4th so adventurous betters got $150 putting the Casse’s 3rd and 4th. Seems reasonable.
July 15 only 3 uncoupled pairs. 2 won
R5 Maker #1,5 @ 11/1 and 6/1 , fin 8 & 1. Paid $14.
R8 Thomas had #2 and 11, scratched the 2 and the 11 won@ $9
R9 Brown had #6and 7, scratched the 6 and the 7 finished 3rd@ 5/2.

Been away a few days it’s now the 22nd
R2 Pletcher has 2 the longer#4 won and paid $40…any questions?

Del Mar Aug 4 race 8. Bob Baffert, the king of the uncoupled entry angle IMO,
had two entries , one the 2.4 -1 second choice, the other entry named Fast and Shiny" off at 6.4 to 1, who won paying 14.80

Finding Trainers
 

As far as the uncoupled entry goes.
I find it best to go to Twinspires that way you can scan a
race track in 5 minutes or less and find the uncoupled entries.
Hit a 8.60 win and a 43.20 win. The 43.20 one had nothing going for
it in the RDDS. Nice angle.

Nice scores
Tim

This one was interesting
 

Mark Glatt had and uncoupled entry in the 9th race at Delmar on 9/03. One entry was a contender at 7-1. the other entry went off at 68-1, here's the kicker - the entry. named Spycatcher, WAS A MAIDEN ATTEMPTING TO WIN HIS FIRST RACE IN A GRADE 2 RACE. He did not win, but battled down the stretch to lose by 1/2 a length, paying 48.00 to place. Baffert had a uncoupled entry win in the 3rd as well paying around 8.00.


On Sunday Baffert had another uncoupled entry run 1,2 with his longest price horse paying 16.40. Later in the fifth race Baffert had 3 entries and won with 5-1 winner paying 13.00. Glatt scored again with a UCE in 9th with Traegar paying 39.80

Doug O'Neil scored with a UCE in the 10th paying 15.60

George Papaprodromou scored in the 11th with an UCE paying 26.20

Follower of the UCE had a very good day.

And the hits keep on coming. Thanks for posting these results.
Tim

Agreed it's an interesting angle. Just for clarity -

On Sept 4 at Del Mar, across 11 races there were Uncoupled Entries (UCE) in 10 races, a total of 15 separate UCEs, sometimes 2 or 3 in the same race (e.g. Races 4,8,9,11). Baffert had 3 UCEs in Race 5.

Of these 15 UCEs which cost $62 for $2 Win bets on all horses involved, 5 hit paying collectively $89.70 for $2 - a profit of $27.70 or 44.6%. As mentioned, the last race UCE paid $26.20, or almost all of the profit on this angle for the day. More often, the longer odds or equally long odds entry won, often hard to skip the bet on a lower odds UCE horse. Still, nice day for the UCE angle :jump:

Maybe this was a typical day for this angle at a big track. Possibly not. It will be interesting when the RDSS update is ready making UCE's more visible, to see how this angle fares. I believe there are MORE aspects to deciding when to go with this angle and when to ignore it; when to make additional 'more likely' bets in the same race (thus watering down UCE profits when it hits) and when to hold your nose and put a deuce on the angle and then stick with your regular scheduled analysis.

In other words - NOT a magic bullet (as usual ;)). Not to rain on anyone's parade about nice hits especially when they all come on a single big day of racing (and especially if you had a few of them), though (as I frequently tell people reporting to me AMAZING ANGLES) - please show me ALL the hits and MISSES for the angle. Otherwise, the glowing reports can seem less genuine.

I thought I'd do it here for DMR Sept 4, but I welcome a similar Profit/Loss analysis from other days, now and then (including hits and misses).

Your faithful reporter ...

Ted

Hi Ted. First I've never seen this many uncoupled entries in 1 day in all the yrs I have been using it. Secondly no where did I ever state to play every uncoupled entry. Uncoupled entries from better trainers are the ones that tend to hit the most and usually at least 1 of the 2 is a true contender or lsp. I posted the angle to make folks aware of something that was going under the radar that imo should be looked at. If anyone thinks this a magic bullet they are mistaken. You still have to cap the horses as usual and most times at least 1 if not both fall short. IMHO there is no need to do in depth studies or to overthink it. Like any angle it works when it works.
Tim

I agree with the above, but would also include a trainer who has won with UCE in the past. Another major consideration is the price. I look for those 10-1 or higher, but will take 5-1 on a Baffert UCE because he wins so often with them.

I suspect that with the big trainers, the UCE is more applicable during the short meets like Delmar and Saratoga.

Pletcher in N.Y is another one who does well with UCE. Also when I say good trainers I don't mean only the big names. I'm talking the top 10 at any track. Price is always important. I agree if you know what low % trainers pull this move off then go for it. I always Uriah St, Louis at Parx or any trk he ships to
Tim

Couple and Uncoupled horses
 

This is a link to a site that has done research on coupled and uncoupled
horses.
http://www.trpublishing.com/wp-conte...ed-Entries.pdf

One can copy and paste it into browser...it should connect to site.
There you will find relevant research on the coupled and uncoupled.

It maybe that certain trainers are better at winning when entering uncoupled
horses it does not take that into consideration.

Thanks Don.

Thanks Don. One important thing to keep in mind here is their stats are based on all the uncoupled entries they found. When I use the angle I disregard ones that don't have[imo] a chance to win. The angle is best used when both parts are primary &or secondary contenders. Yes certain trainers do score more then others but keep in my as it was related to me[outside of a rabbit situation] the trainer in most cases feels either can win.
Tim

Tim
 

Tim
Thanks for the feedback appreciate it.

You are welcome. Actually you can loosen it up to at least 1 is a primary or secondary contender and the other has some corollary support even if a non-contender. I never really tracked the win % but I would say 12-to 15 % wouldn't be unreasonable to hit.
Tim

Tim,

There is NO angle out there that shows a flat bet profit. There are way too many databases that are constantly mined for those kind of things. The last time I heard of any angle that showed a profit with no thought was back in the late 80's and early 90's, in baseball, home dogs showed like a 4% profit if you bet them all, over the course of a season. One of my sergeants and his dad were bookies and they enlisted me in searching and I think we found that in a Huey Mahl article or something crazy like that.

Like anything in betting, you have to rely on your judgement as the final arbiter of what is a smart bet and what is just a hail mary.

Dan you are correct in that angles are not intended to make a living with. They can and do provide some nice scores in exotics, My favorite angle is the apprentice angle which does the best at hitting the most. At one time way back when I tracked over a 1000 races and at on point these horses were hitting the ex 50% of the rime. it leveled off at 20% which is still ok. One must handicap normally before worrying about or employing angles.
Tim