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Originally Posted by Bill V. (Post 75698)

Good Skill Rich

Boy do i miss those days with beard and the gang at table

Yea those were real special times Bill! The "table" really had some great characters that sat around it eh! Say hi to Brooks and Mrs. Boccee from Karen and I :)

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Originally Posted by SilentRun (Post 75699)

Richie,

That is a nice way of structuring the contenders.
Have you kept ROI records on this ?

Ernie

Hi Ernie
Doc always said that V/DC should be looked at as TIERS and NOT rankings, making it easier mentally to go a bit deeper in the contender mix to find value. I bet this way for years at the Meadowlands and survived solely on racing income til about 2006 when I moved home to care for mom.

In MY opinion racing has changed big time and I honestly don't know if I could be a winning player TODAY. I certainly don't "want it" bad enough to even try with my life being so different (good) now. Winning consistently takes extremely hard WORK and dedication as I am sure you know. Outside of a bets up at Saratoga that day Karen and I went there to meet everyone I have not made a bet in over a year.

Test this and see if the "look" helps you man! Very best to you Ernie

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Originally Posted by partsnut (Post 75707)

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Hi Ritchie,
I'm glad to see that life is treating you well and you are in a happy place.:D

Morning Bill~!

I am so glad to see you are doing good with your racing work. You are a good man and a VERY hard worker. I send you my best vibes for good health, happy heart and fulfillment. You deserve everything good to come your way!

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Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 75690)

Here are a few stakes races from around the country today. Using best of last 3 races surface/class (my interpretation of) and default settings on Rdss2

Going to show Segments screen and list V/DC tiers horizontally like this:
1 / 2,3 / 4 / 5 where the 1 is v/dc #1 - tie with 2,3 for v/dc #2 - 3 is v/dc #3 etc.

Bill and I would have our friend Joe (The Beard :)) work races and write them down like this. Then he would go off and find value and bet win, exactas etc
We had good times back in the day at the Meadowlands.

Here is Aqueduct's 6th on the grass:
V/DC - 3 / 1,9 / / 7,4 / / 6

Fat 19 buck winner , exacta and trifecta make up the top 3 here.

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Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 75692)

Aqueduct's 8th going 9f on the dirt:

V/DC - 4 / 3 / 1,5 / 2 / / 6

Top ranked #4 wins but at very low odds, wagercappers lose here.

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Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 75693)

This is Churchill's 9th going 9f on the grass:

V/DC - 6 / 3,8 / 2 / 4 / 1

Once again the top ranked buck wins but this $7.40 mutual gets wagercappers a nice win (Doc's prescribed minimum odds of 5/2)

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Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 75694)

This is Delta's 6th going 8f for half a million clams :)

V/DC - 5 / 3,9 / / 6,7 / / 2

My 5th tiered #2 wins at 7/2 so this is definitely a wagercapping loss.

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Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 75696)

Here is Delta's 7th running for a million smackers going 8.5f on the dirt

V/DC - 6 / 1,3 / 4 / 2

Fat 8/1 winning # 8 is nowhere on my mix, certainly a loss here.

Well that was 5 races with 2 definite winners paying $19.00 and $7.40.

40% wins betting 2 horses with an outlay of $20.00 and a return of $26.40. When I was playing full time at the track wanna guess what my TWO horse win % was for YEARS? Yup 40%(Bill V saw dozens of my 20 race cycle worksheets back then) :)

Wagercapping

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Originally Posted by RichieP (Post 75731)

Richie,

That's right I remember reading in the "Follow-Up" to look at V/DC as TIERS.
Did I follow his advice...........NOOOOOO. Racing may have changed but the Methodology is alive
and well today and there is no doubt in my mind that if you choose to get back into the game you will DEFINITLY be a winning player.

I have no problem altering my approach, trying new ideas, using new tools...
whatever gets the best results.

Wishing you the Best of Everything.

Ernie