And as RDSS shows Friesan Fire had beaten the 2,3,6,7 10 in the previous two stakes races at FG.. It appeared that no one could match him from the stretch run to the wire.
In checking sire stats SPI (Sire Production Index) FOR FRIESAN FIRE

AP INDY Sire SPI 5.0 (very high)
Off Track A +
Mud Starts A +
AVERAGE WINING DISTANCE 8.2 f (RLEATED TO CD IN DOSGAE INEXES)
TURF STARTS
ALL WEATHER TRACKS(POLY) A

NO ONE ELSE CAME CLOSE EXCEPT THE 8 AND YOU KNOW HE COLLARED HIM IN THE STRETCH AND WON GOING AWAY BY 71/4 .

So if your looking for added strength you great program here it is.

Bob

sorry about the mispells in the last sentence.

So if your looking for added strength to your great program, here it is.

Works great in turf races and Stakes

Bobp

So there ya go TC and thanks for ***

Bob,

As I mentioned in my email, I can add the Sire's Sire and the Dam's Sire and folks interested can do with that what they choose. I will most probably not add anything else re breeding to RDSS.

For the most part, I happen to agree with Tim Y (and with Doc, in general) that breeding data is less impactful overall to sorting the likely contenders than core Methodology concepts, and (along with copious stats re trainers and jockeys) can serve to cloud the analyst's judgement as much as it occasionally serves to shed light. I salute you though if your stats helped in this case elevate the #8 Papa Clem to win or place contender.

Though I would not advise newcomers to the racing game to spend any time understanding and analysing the effects of pedigree, I remember that Doc was never dogmatic on the topic, as Bob Cochran has mentioned elsewhere, and indeed he suggested that folks check out the writings of Mike Helm on the topic, perhaps if they need something to make sense of 2 year olds, or first time turfers, etc (e.g. for unavoidable legs of Pick 3,4,6 wagers).

Again, perhaps it depends on what one's overall goal is and where you are in the process. If someone is still trying to reach consistent profit, I'd say focus on pace, matchup, incremental energy disbursement - then wagercapping. If those are now a staple of your method, and you're trying to get that next 5% extra long-term ROI (e.g. on top of your first 25%...), then sure - add whatever extra tools work after examining your records. Just beware the old 'too clever by half' syndrome...

Cheers,

Ted

Ted, As always I appreciate your comments. honesty ans uselfish sharing of youe time.

For me Breeder Stats are just re-imforcement of what I see when handicapping and sometimes just turns on the light for that race. As I mentioned they work well for me
in turf races and Graded Stakes.

Going to a Turf example was yesterday's 8th Race at Fairgrounds.

#2 Martins Bay was rated by RDSS # 1 1f you use the 6F race figure she figures to wire the field,

Her turf stats were the highest in the field and the only turf horse in the Race with an A
Turf Rating. The only ones close to her rating were 7 Skilled and 8 Swamp Willow . They ran 2,3 to complete the Tri for $74.00
Here are the ratings:


#2 Martins Bay SPI 1.42 TURF =A
#7 Skilled SPI 1.17 TURF- D 2ND
#8 Swamp Willow SPI 1.19 TURF C 3RD
#5 Sweet Aptitude SPI 1.17 TURF D 4TH
#4 APTISIENO SPI 1.17 TURF D RAN LAST

ALL OTHER HORSES WERE RATED WELL UNDER 1 IN THE SPI Results: She wired the field and paid $7.00 to win and trigered a $33.60 Exacta. Nothing spectacular, but nice if you are cherry picking.

BOB