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MIKE1121 12-27-2007 04:19 PM

Richie.


I wasn't looking at any particular horse just trying to set some parameters.

Fast pace races from what I understand it seems like you are first looking and giving the most credit to the 1rst call followed by the second call, do you give much or any to final time?


Hypothetical example concerning powerlines:

A: 22 45 113
B: 22.4 46.4 112

which would you choose as the fast pace race?

MIke.

RichieP 12-27-2007 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MIKE1121 (Post 26855)
Richie.


I wasn't looking at any particular horse just trying to set some parameters.

Fast pace races from what I understand it seems like you are first looking and giving the most credit to the 1rst call followed by the second call, do you give much or any to final time?


Hypothetical example concerning powerlines:

A: 22 45 113
B: 22.4 46.4 112

which would you choose as the fast pace race?
MIke.

Without question "A" Mike.

RichieP 12-27-2007 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MIKE1121 (Post 26855)

Fast pace races from what I understand it seems like you are first looking and giving the most credit to the 1rst call followed by the second call,

YES in that exact order Mike.

RichieP 12-27-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MIKE1121 (Post 26855)
do you give much or any to final time?
MIke.

NONE Mike.

RichieP 12-28-2007 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sdahl (Post 26838)
I would say the #3 is the fastest router. I am looking forward to see how you compare the sprinter and the router.

Stan

Ok excellent Stan. Here is a screen shot of the #8 and #3 power lines.

Final step:
Looking at both the pace of races shown and positions which horse is going to be ahead of the other during the running of the race? THAT is your horse.

billylump 12-28-2007 12:34 PM

Post by Mike 1121
 
If the A and B horses are facing each other today and the times listed are
typical of past performance, there is no way the B horse can come home in
112. The two earlier fractions are so much slower than the A horse it is
impossible for the B horse to come home any faster than 113.3 if that.

*** Right on the money Billy. *** RichieP

sdahl 12-28-2007 04:29 PM

#8 has better positions and also better times at the first two calls. Do sprint first calls run a little faster that route first calls.
Stan


** Ok focus on your first sentence Stan. "better positions and better times". There is your answer bud! ** - RichieP

MIKE1121 12-28-2007 04:39 PM

Richie.


Can the methods you are teaching be used successfully with 4 1/2 furlong races? What if any changes need to be made for this distance. I also like CT the only problem is that they have a lot of 4 1/2 f races.

Mike.

*** Mike the answer is YES. When Jim started teaching me he OFTEN worked races at the 4.5 distance from Charlestown.
I questioned him a couple of times about working that distance and his EXACT reply was " Rich it is just a darn horse race. We work em all the same ok" *** - RichieP

RichieP 12-28-2007 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sdahl (Post 26883)
#8 has better positions and also better times at the first two calls. Do sprint first calls run a little faster that route first calls.
Stan


** Ok focus on your first sentence Stan. "better positions and better times". There is your answer bud! ** - RichieP

Stan
Here is the result chart ok?
Richie

MIKE1121 12-28-2007 06:54 PM

I have not yet gone thru all the instructions concerning the match up, saying this I do see one pattern : horses who are at the back of the pack are usually thrown out.The most likely winner seems to be horses who can win with the lead or just off the lead ( 1 to 2 BL 1rst call). What situation needs to occur for a deep closer ( 8th, 9th position 10 or more BL 1rst call ) to be made the bet?.

Mike.


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